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Is it art?

Yes

48%

48%

[ 18 ]

No

29%

29%

[ 11 ]

It's all relative

21%

21%

[ 8 ]

Total Votes: 37

EJH

Location: NYC

Post Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:25 pm   Reply with quote         


Heather! wrote:
utterly useless IMO

Ok, we get it. You think it's useless. You think it's a waste. It's "dull, uncreative, pointless, nothing." So why are you still here commenting the same exact thing yet again? If you ask me, repeating the same opinion over and over and over again, without adding any thoughtful insights is dull, uncreative, pointless, nothing...IMO.




1337hax0r

Location: Santa Barbara, CA

Post Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:36 pm   Reply with quote         


EJH wrote:
Heather! wrote:
utterly useless IMO

Ok, we get it. You think it's useless. You think it's a waste. It's "dull, uncreative, pointless, nothing." So why are you still here commenting the same exact thing yet again? If you ask me, repeating the same opinion over and over and over again, without adding any thoughtful insights is dull, uncreative, pointless, nothing...IMO.


well said IMO




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ScionShade

Location: VeniceFlaUS

Post Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:12 pm   Reply with quote         


SHOOT!
I was just about to repeat stuff allover again--
ohhhhhh, you guys are evil Twisted Evil




Post Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:50 pm   Reply with quote         


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Heather wrote:
how pathetic they hold the power to raise that much money and do it for self indulgent purposes......utterly useless IMO



Look around your room right now. See that Santa hat you bought your cat for Christmas, or the outfit in your closet that you only wore once or the hair mousse that you "can't live without"?

Whether you want to admit it or not, your house is full of "self indulgent" objects that are "utterly useless".

If you added up their value, the money could have paid for enough vaccines to save hundreds of childrens' lives in third world countries.

I remember reading about a multi-millionaire businessman (can't recall the name) who lives in poverty because as long as there are people in need, he can't allow himself to buy anything above the basic necessities. He donates nearly every cent he earns.

I wish more people were like him but the reality is that we live in a world that spends hundreds of millions of dollars per year on Chia Pets.

Unless you are this man, it's somewhat hypocritical to call others "self indulgent".




GooFY

Location: Chicago, IL

Post Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:09 pm   Reply with quote         


so if all of you would have just donated the money you spent on PS and the related paraphernalia to charity, then we wouldn't have to be ashamed for enjoying your artwork either.

c'mon people. its art, so what? It would indeed be wonderful if everyone was as socially conscious as they ought to be, but I for one am really glad that there are people in the world who are interested in creating beauty. this includes every one of you here.

Edit - I forgot my smileys
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Post Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:20 pm   Reply with quote         


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I just want to be clear here -

I'm with the Chia Pet buyers





ScionShade

Location: VeniceFlaUS

Post Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:11 pm   Reply with quote         


Very altruistic idealism there Badcop.... but
a guy setting the example that the rewards of hard work,
and success are a "bad " thing kind of offsets the
whole balance.
Who wants to work hard and be successful if it
comes with so much baggage that a person should rightly
live like a hobo until those who have not worked hard or
used their brains are your 'quality of life' equals.
very inspirational.
this is exactly why I buy my wines----"napa valley".




Post Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:19 pm   Reply with quote         


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scionshade wrote:
Very altruistic idealism there Badcop.... but
a guy setting the example that the rewards of hard work,
and success are a "bad " thing kind of offsets the
whole balance.



First of all, there's no such thing as altruism (but that's another conversation).

Second, I was only using that guy as an example of the extreme. He's an exception.
We all spend frivolously.

Therefore we have no business being angry at others for spending frivolously.
That is hypocrisy.


scionshade wrote:
...that a person should rightly
live like a hobo until those who have not worked hard or
used their brains are your 'quality of life' equals


Are you just playing devil's advocate or do you seriously believe that people in third world countries are in their situations because they aren't working hard and using their brains?


Quote:
this is exactly why I buy my wines----"napa valley".


I buy my Slurpees ----"7-11"

I dont get it




ScionShade

Location: VeniceFlaUS

Post Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:49 pm   Reply with quote         


I agree that the money people earn should be spent as they wish.
It's still easy to see that anyone spending 20mill on "the gates"
could be seen as frivolous. It's their right to be frivolous though.
Just because someone has managed to put themselves in a position
where they have or can spend huge amounts of money, does not give the "have nots"
the right to TELL them how to spend it.
It's like several news release after the "Tsunami' where officials from other nations berated the U.S. for not spending enough on relief.
What business is that of theirs?
so I guess we agree on that point.
As far as third world nations , or the poor anywhere - in general-
people are responsivble for their own actions.
Smile




GooFY

Location: Chicago, IL

Post Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:24 pm   Reply with quote         


Excellent. Today I actually agree with you Scion!




EJH

Location: NYC

Post Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:36 pm   Reply with quote         


ScionShade wrote:
I agree that the money people earn should be spent as they wish. It's still easy to see that anyone spending 20mill on "the gates" could be seen as frivolous. It's their right to be frivolous though.
Just because someone has managed to put themselves in a position
where they have or can spend huge amounts of money, does not give the "have nots" the right to TELL them how to spend it.
It's like several news release after the "Tsunami' where officials from other nations berated the U.S. for not spending enough on relief. What business is that of theirs?

Wow, I actually agree with you on this too, Scion Shocked

Must be somethin' in the water today Wink

...up to your very last point though:
Quote:
As far as third world nations , or the poor anywhere - in general- people are responsivble for their own actions. Smile

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you said, but I hardly think it's fair to hold children who are born into poverty "responsible" for it.




ScionShade

Location: VeniceFlaUS

Post Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:21 pm   Reply with quote         


EJ, no, I certainly am not holding children, or even young adults responsible
for dire situautions they had no choice but to survive.
But certainly, parents, communitys, governments, are responsible--(except natural tragedys-such as the Tsunami)
Time and hard work, a dedication to a better life--these things always pay off.
*edit* There seem to be-at least frrom what i can gather from news sources-
areas of the world where charitys have fed children in need on a large scale--
it seems that many of these areas where we did feed the children -
well- that became a new culture- allow the charity to feed the kids--
year after year- no need to provide for a family-- the charity foods will be here friday--- we -trying to be humane--may we not have blundered?? again- i say we should have TAUGHT people to provide for themselves.
Teaching people to provide for themselves is not only charitable -THAT- I
would believe and wholeheartedly defend as being the 'responsibility'
of all of us. Smile




EJH

Location: NYC

Post Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:07 pm   Reply with quote         


Yeah, I figured I was misreading you there... thanks for explaining Smile




daZork

Location: Sweden

Post Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:39 pm   Reply with quote         


if an artist says it is art, then it is art.

'nuff said.




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EJH

Location: NYC

Post Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:54 pm   Reply with quote         


Ok, this is my final installment of photos, now that the Gates are officially done and being taken down as we speak (er, type). I have to say, it has been kind of a fun challenge to go back and try to take new photos that show something a little different than before...

some snowy pics I took in the early a.m. light:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/2_26_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/2_26_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/2_26_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/2_26_4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/2_26_5.jpg

looking toward the entrance to Central Park North in Harlem:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/2_28_1.jpg

in the Conservatory garden:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/6_16A_0016.jpg

reflections in the Harlem Meer:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/6_12A_0012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/6_13A_0013_crop.jpg

night:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/EJH/6_20A_0020.jpg

Hope you've enjoyed looking at the Gates through my eyes, and thanks so much to all who voiced appreciation & compliments Smile




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