In order to have pleasure in everything
Desire to have pleasure in nothing.
In order to arrive at possessing everything
Desire to possess nothing.
In order to arrive at being everything
Desire to be nothing.
In order to arrive at knowing everything
Desire to know nothing.
In order to arrive at that which you do not know
You must go by a way that you do not know.
In order to arrive at what you do not possess
You must go by a that way you do not possess.
In order to arrive at that which you are not
You must go through that which your are not.

Canuck! You changed your previous post, dude!!

Now this response will seem almost weird!

But I'll post it anyway, even though your editing is going to play havoc with the credibility of my post!!!!!!!!

Sorry Reinman, your credibility is restored (I changed it back).

Here is the Ravi Zacharias quote again though.

"An utterly fascinating illustration of this duping of ourselves is the latest arts building opened at Ohio State University, the Wexner Center for the Performing Arts, another one of our chimerical exploits in the name of intellectual advance.

Newsweek branded this building "America's first deconstructionist building." It's white scaffolding, red brick turrets, and Colorado grass pods evoke a double take. But puzzlement only intensifies when you enter the building, for inside you encounter stairways that go nowhere, pillars that hang from the ceiling without purpose, and angled surfaces configured to create a sense of vertigo. The architect, we are duly informed, designed this building to reflect life itself-senseless and incoherent-and the "capriciousness of the rules that organize the built world." When the rationale was explained to me, I had just one question: Did he do the same with the foundation?

The laughter in response to my question unmasked the double standard our deconstructionists espouse. And that is precisely the double standard of atheism! It is possible to dress up and romanticize our bizarre experiments in social restructuring while disavowing truth or absolutes. But one dares not play such deadly games with the foundations of good thinking."

SONG OF DOUBT
Dear God
by XTC
from the LP "Skylarking"

Dear God, hope you got the letter and
I pray you can make it better down here
I don't mean a big reduction in the price of beer
But all the people that you made in your image
See them starving on their feet
'Cause they don't get enough to eat from
God
I can't believe in you

Dear God, sorry to disturb you but
I feel that I should be heard loud and clear
We all need a big reduction in amount of tears
And all the people that you made in your image
See them fighting in the street
'Cause they can't make opinions meet about
God
I can't believe in you

Did you make disease
and the diamond blue?
Did you make mankind after we made you?
And the devil too!

Dear God don't know if you've noticed but
Your name is on a lot of quotes in this book
And us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look
And all the people that you made in your image
Still believing this junk is true
Well I know it ain't, and so do you, dear God
I can't believe in
I don't believe in

I won't believe in heaven and hell
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well
No pearly gates, no thorny crown
You're always letting us humans down
The wars you bring, the babes you drown
Those lost at sea and never found
And it's the same the whole world 'round
The hurt I see helps to compound
That Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Is just somebody's unholy hoax
And if you're up there you'd perceive
That my heart's here upon my sleeve

If there's one thing I don't believe in
It's you
Dear God

TO HEAR THIS WONDERFUL SONG GO TO THE BTM OF MY PUNK PAGE,
http://www.hallcross.co.uk/donnypunx/index.htm

it changed micky's sig, maybe it will change yours, go preach to the converted,
splodge,,,1
god,,,,,,,,,0

Bringing up the Wexner Center for the Performing Arts is a great breath of fresh air and importance in this thread...

and, I think I got your analogy, Fish...but wanted to add something here.

NOW...the Wexner's architect wasn't the first with this concept...for it was a woman, Sarah Winchester (San Jose, CA) in 1884, who made her home reknown for this peculiar type of architecture...

http://www.winchestermysteryhouse.com/

and the tragic story here (if even one person is interested) --http://www.prairieghosts.com/winchester.html

Perhaps it's best to focus on Canuck's site layout and design (as the Feral One suggested, I think), instead of the content. I'm certain there are many, many sites that address the theology. However, there's a healthy group of design professionals & "net" aficionados right here who can assist Canuck in making his site as navigatable and attractive as possible.

Yeah, don't forget Ripley's been building like that for decades, and
then we have the ever PSC beloved ....
whoever that guy is everybody always copys in chops..errrr...dang..who was that?
AH! Escher.

Someone from here is already on it for me Eve. Thanks though.

As far as the content goes, to my knowledge there is no other site with the interactive aspect like the one I did. Presuppositional' apologetics is also in the minority.

As far as the motivation for the site... there are alot of hurting people. I have seen that especially here over the last few days. People need to know what their only hope is in life and in death. I would rather have stayed friends with everyone here, but people misjudge my motivations. It is mentally draining to get into these deep discussions. I don't do it for kicks.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but you GOTTA explain that one...Are some of us hurting becaus eof our own personal issues...or are we hurting for the..."truth"...

No disrespect, Canuck, but this statement,
It is mentally draining to get into these deep discussions. I don't do it for kicks.
is perplexing. You posted the thread and even gave it consideration before doing so. What did you expect, really?

Again, no disrespect, but c'mon...you live for this debate stuff.

And, for me at least, it's mentally STIMULATING...never draining...but...oh look, my meds!

Hurting emotionally, physically.

People here are OBVIOUSLY not hurting for the truth


Men occasionally stumble over the truth,
but most of them pick themselves up
and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
~ Winston Churchill

My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line … If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such violent reaction to it? … Thus, in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist – in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless – I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality – namely my idea of justice – was full of sense. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never have known it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.

- C.S. Lewis

Yeah, I thought this was a fairly innocuos first comment on a thread and the hateful
response it got was uncalled for...
He even made it clear that if yer response wss not constructive that he'd hoped you'd stay out of it.
The unrestrained hateful attacks on this thread are ridiculous.
If you don't share Canuck's views, fine. Shut up, get active in another thread.
There ARE Christians on this site and your gonna have to live with it.
You don't see anyone going on about what losers you are for whatever you are.

He's not getting debated. he's getting attacked.
This thread seriously needs to be locked up.
*edit* I change my mind, this thread does not need to be
locked up, what it needs is people to respect that this guy wanted to share something of who he is in real life with a community he is involved in.
Who YOU THINK Canuck is outside of this thread has NOTHING to do with this thread.
If you don't like him or what he believes, then stay off the thread.