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TheShaman

Location: Peaksville, Southeast of Disorder

Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:18 pm   Reply with quote         


well said armo.
and when I enter a gif into the contest, I don't expect top spot. so if/when it does, thats just icing on the cake for me. I do gif's for the challenge involved in
A) making something cool
B) making it still look good under the restrictions
C) making the entry respectable for the PSC masses
D) doing something that until last year was completely new to me.
I've been playing with photoshop WAY longer than trying to do animations. So to me its more challenging to go off into new lands and see what there is to see and what I can do.




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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:27 pm   Reply with quote         


TheShaman wrote:

I've been playing with photoshop WAY longer than trying to do animations. So to me its more challenging to go off into new lands and see what there is to see and what I can do.


Well said shaman, that's exactly why I use vectors. Pretty much every entry I post is something new that I've tried or a new style of doing it. what can I say? I have a short attension sp..

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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:30 pm   Reply with quote         


Stevster wrote:
I sure hope that gifs don't open the door for Flash files. Confused

don't worry about that, they won't

flash is a whole different kind of story. Animations can be programmed and interact with the user. Now that would be totally out of the scope of psc

photolicious wrote:
...I guess because my purpose for coming to this site is to improve my photoshop and creative abilities in photo manipulation
all the gifs I made are photo manipulations (and some of them even have improved my knowledge)

anyway, like someone (shaman?) said, if you don't like, don't vote for it (I don't mind, and i won't have a grudge from it Smile ), but don't separate it. The beauty of psc is that everyone is handled equally.




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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:30 pm   Reply with quote         


photolicious wrote:

Don't get me wrong i really like gifs, personally i think they belong in a different category. For a gif to be effective it requires a bunch of images. I think a good chop should tell it all with one image.


I'm just having fun with you. I know where you are coming from but as my earlier post pointed out there aren't enough gifs being done to warrant separate entries. The main reason why there are so few gifs is because it's hard, painstaking work. But it is rewarding, and it is a pleasure to see one pop up when breezing through the static entries. Don't let your goals or views about what a PSC contest should be interfere with voting/commenting on someone's creative efforts.




TheShaman

Location: Peaksville, Southeast of Disorder

Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:31 pm   Reply with quote         


hey armo look! Shocked A chicken!



how can you have a short attention span doing vectors? I did one and it took FOREVER! talk about having to have patience!


I lost my practice cause I ran out of patience! Laughing




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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:32 pm   Reply with quote         


TheShaman wrote:
... all frames that most of us giffers do are made in photoshop. sometimes I have 20 frames/layers to contend with, then to make it fit within the frame work of the rules here.... its not like I can just pop this into an animation program and viola it does the work for me....
Wait a minute - are you saying I'm not allowed to do an ass-whooping animation in 3dsmax and convert the 20-something frames to a gif in ImageReady Question Laughing Laughing Laughing




TheShaman

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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:33 pm   Reply with quote         


'most' of us giffers I believe i said Voks! Laughing Wink




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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:33 pm   Reply with quote         


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tadams wrote:

Ugh! If anyone isn't going to vote for a GIF simply because they don't think it belongs in the contest, would you please let me know who you are so I can exercise my right to not vote/comment on your hard work because you don't like GIFs.

And of course don't forget to reward those who have voted for your hard work by voting for theirs.
It's what makes the site go 'round.

Soze wrote:

A good giff (real good giff) needs a lot of work.....
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/117897/from-my-web-cam-gif.html
This one took me about 20 hours work.

The example of your winning entry perfectly illustrates my problem with too many gifs;
You took static cars and made them drive.
That's not a concept. It's motion.

It's obvious by the votes, however, that a lot of people love motion and appreciate the amount of time the entry took to produce (though try swaying an unhappy art director by telling them your work took a really really really long time).

The main point that's being made by people in my camp is that it doesn't make sense to pit motion against still (and yes, I understand they're both done in Photoshop)
A separate contest would encourage more gifs and improve their overall quality.




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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:34 pm   Reply with quote         


bigbuck wrote:
I wouldn't say that gifs are any less work or less quality, and I don't think too many members here are 'swayed' by the simple motion involved. My gifs start as full size, high res static chops. Sometimes the giffing is only an afterthought. Now you will see some great and ordinary gifs here, just as you will with jpgs.

agree....a moving picture does not necessarily get a vote. It's the good story with it that works. There are alot that annoy me too...hahahaha.




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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:41 pm   Reply with quote         


badcop wrote:
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tadams wrote:

Ugh! If anyone isn't going to vote for a GIF simply because they don't think it belongs in the contest, would you please let me know who you are so I can exercise my right to not vote/comment on your hard work because you don't like GIFs.

And of course don't forget to reward those who have voted for your hard work by voting for theirs.
It's what makes the site go 'round.

Soze wrote:

A good giff (real good giff) needs a lot of work.....
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/117897/from-my-web-cam-gif.html
This one took me about 20 hours work.

The example of your winning entry perfectly illustrates my problem with too many gifs;
You took static cars and made them drive.
That's not a concept. It's motion.

It's obvious by the votes, however, that a lot of people love motion and appreciate the amount of time the entry took to produce (though try swaying an unhappy art director by telling them your work took a really really really long time).

The main point that's being made by people in my camp is that it doesn't make sense to pit motion against still (and yes, I understand they're both done in Photoshop)
A separate contest would encourage more gifs and improve their overall quality.





ok bad, take this one:

http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/119298/fly-away-gif.html




Stevster

Location: Jacksonville FL

Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:49 pm   Reply with quote         


apples and oranges




Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:51 pm   Reply with quote         


Soze wrote:



It doesn't matter whether I like that particular entry or not.
I never said gifs should be separated because of their quality.




TheShaman

Location: Peaksville, Southeast of Disorder

Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:55 pm   Reply with quote         


http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/102853/pastors-new-toy-gif.html
I had a lot of fun with this one... please note the details like the shadows. I think if you're going to gif, it should live up to the same standards as static images. IE shadows, image quality and the rest

I would not be opposed to a separate contest, I think that would be sort of fun.




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Soze

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Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:57 pm   Reply with quote         


badcop wrote:
Soze wrote:



It doesn't matter whether I like that particular entry or not.
I never said gifs should be separated because of their quality.




ok badcop i misunderstood you Smile

But we can talk talk and talk. At the end noone can say that giff is non contemplate in adobe Photoshop program. So i think this thread has no reason to be. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing




Stevster

Location: Jacksonville FL

Post Wed May 23, 2007 1:58 pm   Reply with quote         






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