Bro you make some interesting points.

My own reason for not believing in Christianity is that I believe that Spiritual and Physical are the same thing. I believe that, with continued study, humanity will come to realize that the spiritual is represented by physical properties that are as yet unknown (quanta). As such, I believe that God is an all-encompasing PHYSICAL being, and therefore governed by physical law. This includes virgin birth and rising from the dead.

That said, miracles like water to wine seem feasible within this construct, so I may need to re-examine my thoughts on virgin birth etc., but animate vs. inanimate is a sticking point for me (although admittedly, perhaps it shouldn't be since my premise is that everything is a single animate entity).

Well, personally, if I was driving around and saw a big CREATRIX bumpersticker, I'd thionk it was pretty dang cool.

I would claim the car as my own

Thanks. I try.



To some extent, I agree. When it comes to us, our bodies and spirits are inextricably connected. For example, our souls can't leave our bodies while we sleep to go out for a midnight stroll. So to that degree, I too believe that the spiritual and physical are very much connected. I disagree, however, that God is physical (as we understand physical). The Bible says that God is everywhere, but he's not everything.[/quote]

Certainly the spiritual and physical must be in harmony, and hence that's why I can't see the contradiction in things like water-to-wine, virgin birth and so on. Clearly, if there is a Creator with the power over matter, energy, life and so on, then that Creator should have no problem manipulating the basic building blocks of all "stuff" - much as we, as we are beginning to grow, can now manipulate matter, energy, and to an extent life, also. The difference being of course, that this Creator's abilities to shape the surroundings would be far greater than ours is, or is ever likely to be.

Well, physical and spiritual being in harmony is not the same as them being the same thing. I believe they are one and the same, not that they are inextricably connected, as BroChris said or in harmony as HandTool said.ony with each other. That does present a contradiction because I believe God *is* everything.

Ahh I see. Just to modify what I said - I should've said "inextricably connected" too (better choice of words there from Chris)... "in harmony" is putting it too loosely for what I meant. But yeah, that is a different thing really.

Yeah, ok...but do you think Jesus would be annoyed and if not ,then why?

Mine:

1. Anything is part of the universe, and universe is part of everything
2. The spiritual world is often behind our perception, but it is
3. Dont be afraid of the beast as a symbol for evil. Evil is inside you, and just you are able to force it.

Well the way I figure it, if the person driving uses their turn signals correctly, Jesus would be okay with it, but if not, look out!

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I think he would be more annoyed that people FIght Wars in his Name

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Definitely true.

Scion, imagine you grew up thinking your two parents fell in love, got married, and had you as their offspring, and that's what they told you your whole life, then one day there is a knock on the door, and some strangers are standing there, telling you, you're their long lost son, it would turn your world upside down, you would question all the things you had ever been told, this is where I was going with my Alien statement, yes I know that God would have made the aliens also, but it would put into question all the things you had ever been told, no where in the bible does it say that aliens dropped us off from Remulak, and if one day they showed up and said we came from them, pillars would rock, as for life found on other worlds, are you talking about microbes? Remember my rant started from keeping an open mind, I don't personally think aliens dropped us off, but I have entertained the thought, and what it would do to the whole belief system that we have in place, the real problem I have with the bible or any other religious teaching, is that it comes from man, and it's pawned off as coming from God, we all know that man can always have a hidden agenda, and want to do anything to control the masses, sorry about the coffee you choked on, others could react a lot worse if something came to light that was other than what they were taught. Do you now know where I was coming from with this?


And Couch, the bus drivers name is Jesus His brothers bus is called "Damn it"...

Well as I said earlier I am a recovering Catholic and a few things have happened in my life that I was able to shake my Mothers belief and have her believing in reincarnation.

My understanding is that reincarnation was once in the bible (which is mans interpretation of gods word and subject to inaccuracies and CHANGES) like the game of telephone where one person says something and by the time it goes thru 4 people its completely different...Mom did not believe me but I showed her this... http://www.powerattunements.com/article42.html you cannot put the FEAR of god into someone if you say "If your bad your next lifetime is gonna suck or your racking up bad Karma"...no you can't but If I said "If you do that your gonna burn in hell for eternity!".. I now have your attention.Its fear based.

Priests are not allowed to marry but thats not Gods word it was to keep the priests possessions at the time of his crossing in the church so its greed based not God based....

as far as Aliens go...If shit hits the fan here and I am still upright and a Space ship shows up to save me I have no problem going with them as I stay open to ALL possibilities of life....