[quote="Canuck <º)))>'Knowledge' is not an answer to the question.

Sye[/quote]

True. But it´s the key to get them. And as you stated before, you have no knowledge to base yer theory other than faith and self-deception, what preety much is useless for the matter.

And if you pay attention on yer answer, for me, gort or whoever, you keep avoid questions, and denying our statements with foolish new questions.

Therefore, I won´t spend any more time arguing with someone that doesn´t actually want to get to a conclusion or acquire new knowledge. If ya wanna keep talking sye, I suggest you answer our questions first.

Later

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damn... Did i scare ya people?

Um no, I claim to have knowledge by and through revelation from God. It is my claim that God reveals some things to us in such a way that we can be certain of them. Now, you may disagree with that claim, but it IS a claim to certainty, I just want to know, what is your claim? If you do not have a claim to certainty, then anything YOU claim to know is on 'blind faith and self-deception. If you do have a claim to certainty, let us know what it is, so we can compare.
The only question you asked me was that bizarre scenario about taking pictures from space, I did not address it because it was stated in a non-response to my question as to how you know that the future will be like the past. I demonstrated that you proceed on this assumption, but you have yet to tell us on what basis you do so.

If you care to clarify your 'pictures from space' question and tell me how it fits in with the argument, I will address it.

Cheers,

Sye

I never said you were, it was a general statement, still, neither position is tenable.Numbers don’t do anything, it is our interpretation of them that is the key. On what basis do you assume that your reasoning about numbers is valid?
Problem is, if you can’t know that your reasoning is reliable, you can’t know what is ‘correct.’
Such as the universal, abstract, invariant laws of logic, which you appear to be appealing to. How do you account for them?
IMHO we should be submitting to what we already know.
Good an evil are meaningless terms without an absolute standard (i.e. God).

God is good.
Nope, that’s a reason to believe that it HAS been the same, not that it WILL BE.

Nope, without FIRST assuming that nature is uniform, you cannot predict with ANY degree of certainty what the future will be like. Again, what is the basis for this assumption? (And, again, I’m not asking about the past, I’m asking about the future).

HAS BEEN true, not IS true.
Only because you assume that nature is uniform, and when you do this, you borrow the justification from MY worldview.

Nope, we believe in a God who controls nature in such a way that we can ‘subdue’ it. This would not be possible if nature were random.

I would ask ‘why?’ but I am more concerned with how you know that the reasoning you used to come to this conclusion is valid?

Cheers,

Sye

Truthfully, this is becoming too convoluted. There is certainly more evidence that fire will burn today as it did yesterday than there is that it will not. We have only our experience to draw on when we attempt to define reality.

As for revelations from God, I reassert that there is no proof that such an entity exists, and before we discuss revelations, you must prove that it does. The idea that blind faith in an entity with no quantifiable evidence to support it is somehow on a level playing field with our perception of reality is, quite simply, ludicrous and I believe you are well aware of this.

Have revelations from God enabled you to see how to defeat a disease? How to build a car? How to irrigate land? It is observation of the physical world and that allows us to innovate. You say God enables scientists to make discoveries, and that may well be, but unless Jonas Salk was an illiterate itinerate who dreamed up the polio vaccine, then I suspect human observation of the physical world had a LOT to do with it. And although we assume that things will continue to be as the always have been, we have no evidence to suggest it will not, so to predicate our understanding of reality upon such a notion would do NOTHING but stifle human potential.

You say I cannot predict with certainty? here we go: The sun WILL rise tomorrow (meaning the earth will continue to revolve around the sun, giving us the illusion of sun rise). I say it with certainty. If I am wrong, I will admit that my method is not sound, but all available data suggests I am right. And while philosophically, I may have no basis for making the prediction, the fact that it proves to be accurate day after day after day gives it an air of reliability that you method lacks.

BTW, arcaico's lens scenario was not bizarre at all: it was a perfect example of how our understanding of the universe changes as we learn more.

1. Evry thing, being, human being is a whole thing
2. This whole thing isnt a thing...its not composed of materialof sthg but of movement of infinitity (u can go always bigger or smaller without limits, so what is sthg?
3. This movement, this continuity is God, or Soul or Spirit whatever its name is...it doesn't have a beard....

Each time u think, u create material....invisble material...God being the sum up of all this.
Quantic physics can explain God for sseveral recent years.... and dont think its not spiritual matter that i m talking about here...on the contrary...the physicians taht explore these theories are good christian and were bored with all those oppositions (science/religions, religion/religion , nature/spirituality...etc)
all this...spirituality, flesh,particules work in the same Time and Time isn't time...its movement....etc...etc....
...Explains a lot.... mediums'power to miracles,collapsing phiysical facts (here i dont even understand myself lol..) that u hardly notice....

PS: this text of mine would much more accurate in french sorry

YES, YES, YES!!!!

This thread stopped fast yesterday... ...i thought maybe.. the Jehova Witnesses showed up knocking at the door....

i edited it a bit.. and i think im gonna edit it again and again...u know...the movement....lol

cults are the 0 degree of the appreciation of what is God
these things were born with the first civilzations guys....
its time to think higher now/// an d be responsible!

but if u choosed a cult thats right, as long as u FEEL. Cuz when u dont Feel anymore, that becomes dangerous.
Just try to use abit of ur unused 90% natural gifts (evbdy has them) and u will soon be surprised....like facing miracles....

knowledge is fluid.

Wow, Micose... I've never seen anyone write anything so close to my own ideas before. It's pretty cool.

LOL... They did. We were all pretending not to be home.