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Total Votes: 29
arcaico
Location: Brazil
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:14 pm Reply with quote
i used to do that... until i got my inbox full of pms saying i was bashing their entries to affect their votes... if people don't care to know what's wrong with their images and rather get votes instead, why bother taking the time to make critics?
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bigbuck
Location: Australia
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:06 am Reply with quote
arcaico wrote: i used to do that... until i got my inbox full of pms saying i was bashing their entries to affect their votes... if people don't care to know what's wrong with their images and rather get votes instead, why bother taking the time to make critics? Well it is a shame about the PMs Arc, because you are one of the people who SHOULD be providing feedback on a regular basis. Providing it's done politely, and you've got nothing to gain (by having an entry in that comp), I see, that it can only be of benefit to the chopper.Now you're right about the votes. I've seen some seriously flawed entries lately getting quite a big load of votes anyway. As I said in another thread....it's about 'education'. Constructive comments on peoples chops will help not just that particular chopper, but others who look at it also. It's really the only way to build the standard of work on the site.
My 2c.
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Eve
Site Moderator
Location: Planet Earth
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:37 am Reply with quote
Agreed. I'd rather pass over a flawed post than point out things that could be better in fear of retaliation. Some ppl don't take constructive criticism well.
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Granulated
Location: London
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:50 am Reply with quote
NOGOODSK8RPUNK wrote: very much like my "take a crack at matt" thread i started...after i left a bunch of comments/votes on the street entry... in my op crits are good unless they were from (one that we shall not name) those were the types of crits that just pissed everyone off and served no purpose.
so i voted yes because the one you left on mine agrees w/ what others have said. i also liked the fact that you included the positive sides of the chop.
one person that i absolutly thinks leaves the best crits/comments/votes is patre... and i feel your comment was to his styling/wording.
don't second guess your self... i found this out in the thread i started that i mentioned earlier. but as a reminder you yourself must be able to take and recv the same types of crits that you may leave on ones art. so yeah it helped and thanks
-m-
Pat's comments are REVIEWS not critique.
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Tarmac
Location: Hotel California
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:32 am Reply with quote
Eve wrote: Agreed. I'd rather pass over a flawed post than point out things that could be better in fear of retaliation. Some ppl don't take constructive criticism well.
Eve, I think constructive criticism (critiques not reviews) should be done on a case by case basis. Basically, there are some very tender, sensitive souls in here who would rather not hear painful things that might improve their next entry. ... my2¢ (also..., good point Gran)
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Tarmac
Location: Hotel California
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:37 am Reply with quote
bigbuck wrote: arcaico wrote: i used to do that... until i got my inbox full of pms saying i was bashing their entries to affect their votes... if people don't care to know what's wrong with their images and rather get votes instead, why bother taking the time to make critics? Well it is a shame about the PMs Arc, because you are one of the people who SHOULD be providing feedback on a regular basis. Providing it's done politely, and you've got nothing to gain (by having an entry in that comp), I see, that it can only be of benefit to the chopper.Now you're right about the votes. I've seen some seriously flawed entries lately getting quite a big load of votes anyway. As I said in another thread....it's about 'education'. Constructive comments on peoples chops will help not just that particular chopper, but others who look at it also. It's really the only way to build the standard of work on the site.
My 2c.
OK Arc, I'll make peace with you, IF you'll just get your sorry carcass back in here and do some constructive site work. The problem is, there are two schools (or groups) of participants here. One group, wants mostly votes and validation for what they do. The second group, wants to improve themselves and their skills and could care less about the back slapping votes. Bottom line is, you and Julie would make a good tag team here busting up Chops and mixing the pot a little, oops I meant Tea Man (Freudian Slip hee-hee). Hell Arc, I'll even put Satan onto a Dishcloth for you (an anfa joke), if you'll just get back in here and participate in a semi constructive positive way. What do you say ... Deal?
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TheShaman
Location: Peaksville, Southeast of Disorder
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:03 am Reply with quote
Yeah, but lets make an effort to try to point out the problems w/o making the person feel like a worthless piece of sh¡t.
Just saying its wrong, does not help, other than pointing out what you may deem obvious. Saying this is wrong, and giving them a solution does help. Giving them a path to follow, will help them learn what they did wrong, and how to fix it. It will lead to people taking your advice a lot less harshly, and they wont feel like you were just bashing their entries. Instead, it makes them feel like you're trying to help them, not harm them.
Also I think people have to remember this is a global site. So language sometimes gets in the way of what people are trying to convey. But if you offer solutions to a problem, IMPO it will break down that barrier.
There IS a difference between Constructive Criticism and Destructive Criticism.
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mellowdesign
Location: Location: Location:
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:26 am Reply with quote
I really like, need and admire constructive criticism - I'm here to learn... on my brown wall entry, some of the perspective is off, and that was kindly pointed out with a drawing of where I'd got it wrong. I really appreciated that...it was just time constraints that meant I didn't adjust it...so if I don't respond to stuff, it's never cos I've taken it personally. It helps me actually because sometimes I can miss stuff by concentrating too hard on a different area.
I also am happy to leave comments on others' work - if I see something that is obviously 'out'... or I really admire what they've done. Again, it's never 'personal' because sometimes I don't even look at the creator til I've made my comments...and I try and do it with sensitivity...so apologies to anyone if it doesn't come across like that!!!!
Peace be the journey, love be the vehicle
Mellow heads off to find world peace
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Tea Man
Location: Oregon, USA
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:00 am Reply with quote
TheShaman wrote: Yeah, but lets make an effort to try to point out the problems w/o making the person feel like a worthless piece of sh¡t.
Just saying its wrong, does not help, other than pointing out what you may deem obvious. Saying this is wrong, and giving them a solution does help. Giving them a path to follow, will help them learn what they did wrong, and how to fix it. It will lead to people taking your advice a lot less harshly, and they wont feel like you were just bashing their entries. Instead, it makes them feel like you're trying to help them, not harm them.
Also I think people have to remember this is a global site. So language sometimes gets in the way of what people are trying to convey. But if you offer solutions to a problem, IMPO it will break down that barrier.
There IS a difference between Constructive Criticism and Destructive Criticism.
it's hard to put that stuff in with 225 characters and make sense, i guess i need to start sending pm's with fixes for some
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TheShaman
Location: Peaksville, Southeast of Disorder
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:31 am Reply with quote
Tea Man wrote: it's hard to put that stuff in with 225 characters and make sense, i guess i need to start sending pm's with fixes for some
Yes, a lengthy fix/explanation may need a PM to go with a comment. I have done that several times.
but most times saying:
your guy could use some cleanup around the edges...
go Layer>Matting>Defringe. That should take care of the problem.
PM me if you have questions.
that was 147 so it is well with in the 225 character limit
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ReinMan
Location: Kingston, ONTARIO, CAN
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:31 pm Reply with quote
I think it is DANGEROUS to be helpful to people.
Be VERY careful y'all.
VERY careful.
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NOGOODSK8RPUNK
Location: hum let me think, oh i know, if you look real hard i sometimes appear in your forum's text box
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:32 am Reply with quote
ReinMan wrote: I think it is DANGEROUS to be helpful to people.
Be VERY careful y'all.
VERY careful.
reindudes got a point... after all you might just wind up meeting some nogoodsk8rpunk... and nobody wants that
i mean its not like i called immigration on him he left on his own free will a slam of the door 2 sec later a peal out of the tires... a honk... something that looked similar to the bird sign? but i think it was a friendly wave goodbye
must have had the car warmed up and ret to roll
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Tea Man
Location: Oregon, USA
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:00 am Reply with quote
ReinMan wrote: I think it is DANGEROUS to be helpful to people.
Be VERY careful y'all.
VERY careful.
ut oh
i gotta get out of here before i get assassinated
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