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ReyRey
Location: In a world of $#!t
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:58 am Reply with quote
This is kind of related to my other thread about updating an image. Some people said they won't update because they will lose their place in line. Some others simply refuse to admit they could use some help. Someone sent me a PM about this image: http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/161324/striped-strat-upd.html
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But I could find only two things that stood out. Surprised One was the aforementioned "missing" hole for the whammy bar....I need to research, but maybe some Strats don't have whammies, I'm not sure.
The other thing was the reflection of the sheet on the guitar. In particular, those just under the tone knobs. It seems like they don't match the width of the stripes they are reflecting. As for those under the pick guard, I don't even feel qualified to say what a reflection on that surface should look like.
So, if you're still reading this and aren't pissed off at me, please tell me how you did the fabric (the shadow layer under the fabric). Did you just grab a brush and start painting in shadows and highlights, or did you use some other trick you have hidden away somewhere?
I hope this didn't offend you or anything, it seems you just struck a note with me (I've been playing guitar for about 12 years now).
Here was my reply:
Quote: I don't get offended. Thanks for the input.
I do freelance for another artist friend of mine. Most people
hate working with him because he is always finding something
wrong with their art work. He is waaaayyyy too picky and sounds very condescending when he tells you to fix something.
Not on purpose. He is actually a very nice guy. That is exactly the
reason I like to work with him. He makes me see things I never noticed before. He makes me improve myself every time I work with him. When I first started working with him, I would do the image and then send it to him. He would call me up and you could hear the heavy sigh in his voice. It made you want to crawl in a hole. Then he would give you a huge list of corrections but he would not just say, please fix this and that. Instead he would say "why would you ever do this?" and "don't you know better than that" You would want to reach through the phone and strangle him. After years of working with him, he always comes to me first with jobs and when he calls me back it is "this is awesome" or "your amazing" quickly followed by "but" He will never change and I don't want him to. He bought me an ipod with "thanks for all the great artwork" etched on the back.
If people could just drop the egos and listen, they would all learn something.
Thanks again,
Rey
By the way, I researched it and people are right. I need a hole for the whammy bar. I will fix it. As for the reflections I knew they weren't perfect But it still added so much shape to the guitar. I will take a look at that too. Maybe Claf or Vokaris can give me some advise there.
Thanks all.
_________________ I try to think, but nothing happens.
Splodge..you rock!! Wherever you are.
I keep checking the obituaries to see if my name is there. If it's not, then I figure I'm ok.
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pearlie
Location: Earth, USA: swFL
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:19 am Reply with quote
Ditto, well said, Rey...... I was warned before joining in here..... drop your ego and thin skin at the door. Sometimes the tougher the critique, the more you learn.
hopefully
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bogonet
Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:20 am Reply with quote
The morale is : I will never ever make a guitar in PS
Simply because my ego couldn't go lower than it is and I'm sure I'll have tons of errors
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Cartoon Contractor
Location: I was here. Now I'm not!
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:31 am Reply with quote
bogonet wrote: The morale is : I will never ever make a guitar in PS
Simply because my ego couldn't go lower than it is and I'm sure I'll have tons of errors
Now that's what Rey is talkin about. Chop the guitar and learn from the mistakes. You'll never be able to chop a guitar if you don't chop a guitar! Kinda like learning to play a guitar. You'll suck at first but with enough practice pretty soon you'll be able to play.
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bogonet
Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:39 am Reply with quote
Cartoon Contractor wrote: bogonet wrote: The morale is : I will never ever make a guitar in PS
Simply because my ego couldn't go lower than it is and I'm sure I'll have tons of errors
Now that's what Rey is talkin about. Chop the guitar and learn from the mistakes. You'll never be able to chop a guitar if you don't chop a guitar! Kinda like learning to play a guitar. You'll suck at first but with enough practice pretty soon you'll be able to play.
It was a joke CC
Even if my ego is at sea level i would have tried. But now, after Rey's work, how much could I embarrass myself ? So if I'll never chop a guitar it's only Rey's fault . Blame it on him.
About sucking, well, ....tons of works to come, I won't worry about that
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Tesore
Location: On the way to Utopia!
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:52 am Reply with quote
Hear Hear!
Cheers,
the Queen of Updates
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bogonet
Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:55 am Reply with quote
Tesore wrote: Hear Hear!
Cheers,
the Queen of Updates
It doesn't matter, a queen is still a queen
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:51 am Reply with quote
ReyRey wrote: Some people said they won't update because they will lose their place in line. Some others simply refuse to admit they could use some help.
This sucks!
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:56 am Reply with quote
That's it!
RR is a pro because he's working for years with very picky clients who know what's a well done job. They have good eyes. They are requiring a lot, but that made RR good like he is.
In my case, I learned a lot by working with some of the best photographers. They know what to do to make fantastic pictures and they know what to ask me to make those pictures even better. By example, last Tuesday, I showed my work (work in progress) to one of my client. Just to know what he thought about it, thinking that the image manipulation can be mostly done. I'm still working on it!
That's the way it is... coming back on details, searching for perfection. That's the way to learn.
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So if you're saying you're satisfied with a chop with few flaws, maybe increasing your skills isn't for you. I like to see good choppers like RR or TJ updating regularly their chops. There's things to learn from that for everyone.
But this site is first of all a place to have fun, to hopefully increasing your creativity.
And talking about creativity, we can also talk about laziness some days... isn't it?
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ReyRey
Location: In a world of $#!t
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:13 pm Reply with quote
_________________ I try to think, but nothing happens.
Splodge..you rock!! Wherever you are.
I keep checking the obituaries to see if my name is there. If it's not, then I figure I'm ok.
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ReyRey
Location: In a world of $#!t
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:12 pm Reply with quote
Cartoon Contractor wrote: ReyRey wrote:
Ok, Cool! Now insert a naked chick tuning it!!
Coming right up!
_________________ I try to think, but nothing happens.
Splodge..you rock!! Wherever you are.
I keep checking the obituaries to see if my name is there. If it's not, then I figure I'm ok.
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Cartoon Contractor
Location: I was here. Now I'm not!
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:14 pm Reply with quote
ReyRey wrote: Cartoon Contractor wrote: ReyRey wrote:
Ok, Cool! Now insert a naked chick tuning it!!
Coming right up!
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vokaris
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:29 pm Reply with quote
I don't know if "photorealistic" was the goal or not, in some parts it still looks like an illustration of a guitar.
As far as improving it, here are some notes just for starters.
http://yfrog.com/13rey2fenderj
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