I'm still looking to find some valuable argument FOR Trump from his supporters here....instead we hear how "bad" Obama was and is, and now the issue has moved even further to Clinton's sins.

Hello...neither Clinton nor Obama are candidates...they've been there and done that. The finger pointing "argument" of "Mommy, but HE did THAT!" is a childish excuse when the tank is empty.

But hey, "Trump sounds and acts patriotic"...I mean, something like that is REALLY important!

Sorry, it's actually not funny, but SAD that a narcissistic, bombastic fascist, spouting xenophobic, racist and bigoted incendiary slogans, is able to attract ANY followers in this country.

I look at this guy and say, "'Well, that's a bullshitter, I can tell.'"

Wish this thread had a "like" button.

OK, I'm not as done as I thought.

Trump has not secured the republican nomination yet and already two of our closest friends, Mexico and England, are saying they don't want him inside their borders.

Come on guys, to quote CC I thought you guys were smarter than that.

He can come to England all he wants, as long as he lies in front of my car, he would make a great speed bump

But that would mess up his hair!

There...everyone happy?

Well look through history when others politicians have fooled the people into trusting them. Then what it brought about and how it effected the overall world.

wake up and vote Independent.

If we stopped complaining about how crappy the Republicans and Democrats are and actually didn't blindly vote for the lesser of two evils...

THAT would be REAL change!

Hope you have a Hummer cause it's one hell of a bump/

Before anyone says anything Hummer is a truck and it's big. ah forget it

YES!!!

The 2 party system is broken, only absolute change can even come close to fixing the long list of ass backwards parts that need fixing that have already been listed here.

And while I am here again, most free nations have a full constitution and all the laws, amendments, and convoluted branches that off-shoot from this.

But no other country on the planet do you hear the words out of people's mouths so often about rights and constitution this which ever number amendment that.

I love America and love how proud Americans are, but a lot of what worked 25, 50, 100 or the full 240 years ago do not all still apply, or work hardly at all.

A nation needs to adapt to survive, shit if I had my way, humans could go anywhere at any time, free to live, work, love... But that is never going to happen as we as humans also have too many prejudices, hang ups and general ignorance to one another.

But change is possible if enough wanted it.

And the original fact remains, it is not about (for me at least) vote democrat vote republican, it should be who is actually out there who wants to change America for all her citizens for the better.

But again while it takes a retarded amount of millions upon millions of $'s to actually become president, how will you ever get an honest, right thinking president that can implement change and make you all proud?

Trump simply isn't it, Hilary is not it, Cruz isn't it, sanders probably isn't it, but at least he came from an independent free standpoint.

And looking back at previous or current presidents is utterly pointless in the context of the actual issue...

Anyway, I am not trying to attack anyone here, just think the whole situation is a giant cluster f**k

You guys deserve so much better across the board.

And like I said earlier, I hope one day to live in America with my wife and our children, but right now, there are far to many parts of actual day to day life and privileges we are both lucky to have in uk, that would be lost in the states, just not the right time.

But hopefully one day

Trump is the Bullshit Champion.


The President

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/




Democrats

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/




http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/




Republicans

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/




http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/

http://jasonseiler.threadless.com/designs/drumpf-hole-1/mens/t-shirt?color=white

Subject: Fwd: THE NEW YORKER on Trump: Man, U gotta read this and THINK ! ! !

and we have Turnbull & Shorten !

Subj: FW: THE NEW YORKER on Trump: Man, U gotta read this and THINK ! ! !






Subject: THE NEW YORKER on Trump:

No matter who your favorite candidate might be ... the article is an interesting read.

The author is the political correspondent for Bloomberg and wrote extensively about Obama even before he was elected.

"Who is Donald Trump?" The better question may be, "What is Donald Trump?"

The answer? A giant middle finger from average Americans to the political and media establishment.

Some Trump supporters are like the 60s white girls who dated black guys just to annoy their parents. But most Trump supporters have simply had it with the Demo-socialists and the "Republicans In Name Only." They know there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Hillary Rodham and Jeb Bush, and only a few cents worth between Rodham and the other GOP candidates.

Ben Carson is not an "establishment" candidate, but the Clinton machine would pulverize Carson ; and the somewhat rebellious Ted Cruz will (justifiably so) be tied up with natural born citizen lawsuits (as might Marco Rubio). The Trump supporters figure they may as well have some fun tossing Molotov cocktails at Wall Street and Georgetown while they watch the nation collapse. Besides - lightning might strike, Trump might get elected, and he might actually fix a few things. Stranger things have happened (the nation elected an islamo-]Marxist in 2008 and Bruce Jenner now wears designer dresses.)

Millions of conservatives are justifiably furious. They gave the Republicans control of the House in 2010 and control of the Senate in 2014, and have seen them govern no differently than Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Yet those same voters are supposed to trust the GOP in 2016? Why?

Trump did not come from out of nowhere. His candidacy was created by the last six years of Republican failures.

No reasonable person can believe that any of the establishment candidates [dems or reps] will slash federal spending, rein in the Federal Reserve, cut burdensome business regulations, reform the tax code, or eliminate useless federal departments (the Departments of Education, Housing and Urban Development, Energy, etc.). Even Ronald Reagan was unable to eliminate the Department of Education. (Of course, getting shot at tends to make a person less of a risk-taker.) No reasonable person can believe that any of the nation's major problems will be solved by Rodham, Bush, and the other dishers of donkey fazoo now eagerly eating corn in Iowa and pancakes in New Hampshire .

Many Americans, and especially Trump supporters, have had it with:
· Anyone named Bush
· Anyone named Clinton
· Anyone who's held political office
· Political correctness
· Illegal immigration
· Massive unemployment
· Phony "official" unemployment and inflation figures
· Welfare waste and fraud
· People faking disabilities to go on the dole
· VA waiting lists
· TSA airport groping
· ObamaCare
· The Federal Reserve's money-printing schemes
· Wall Street crooks like Jon Corzine
· Michelle Obama's vacations
· Michelle Obama's food police
· Barack Obama's golf
· Barack Obama's arrogant and condescending lectures
· Barack Obama's criticism/hatred of America
· Valerie Jarrett· " Holiday trees"
· Hollywood hypocrites
· Global warming nonsense
· Cop killers
· Gun confiscation threats
· Stagnant wages
· Boys in girls' bathrooms
· Whiny, spoiled college students who can't even place the Civil War in the correct century
... and that's just the short list.

Trump supporters believe that no Democrat wants to address these issues, and that few Republicans have the courage to address these issues. They certainly know that none of the establishment candidates are better than barely listening to them, and Trump is their way of saying, "Screw you, Hillary Rodham Rove Bush!" The more the talking head political pundits insult the Trump supporters, the more supporters he gains. (The only pundits who seem to understand what is going on are Democrats Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell and Republican John LeBoutillier. All the others argue that the voters will eventually "come to their senses" and support an establishment candidate.)

But America does not need a tune-up at the same old garage. It needs a new engine installed by experts - and neither Rodham nor Bush are mechanics with the skills or experience to install it. Hillary Rodham is not a mechanic; she merely manages a garage her philandering husband abandoned. Jeb Bush is not a mechanic; he merely inherited a garage. Granted, Trump is also not a mechanic, but he knows where to find the best ones to work in his garage. He won't hire his brother-in-law or someone to whom he owes a favor; he will hire someone who lives and breathes cars.

"How dare they revolt!" the "elites" are bellowing. Well, the citizens are daring to revolt, and the RINOs had better get used to it. "But Trump will hand the election to Clinton !" That is what the Karl Rove-types want people to believe, just as the leftist media eagerly shoved "Maverick" McCain down GOP throats in 2008 - knowing he would lose to Obama. But even if Trump loses and Rodham wins, she would not be dramatically different than Bush or most of his fellow candidates. They would be nothing more than caretakers, not working to restore America 's greatness but merely presiding over the collapse of a massively in-debt nation. A nation can perhaps survive open borders; a nation can perhaps survive a generous welfare system. But no nation can survive both - and there is little evidence that the establishment candidates of either party understand that. The United States cannot forever continue on the path it is on. At some point it will be destroyed by its debt.

Yes, Trump speaks like a bull wander[ing] through a china shop, but the truth is that the borders do need to be sealed; we cannot afford to feed, house, and clothe 200,000 Syrian immigrants for decades (even if we get inordinately lucky and none of them are ISIS infiltrators or Syed Farook wannabes); the world is at war with radical Islamists; all the world's glaciers are not melting; and Rosie O'Donnell is a fat pig.

Is Trump the perfect candidate? Of course not. Neither was Ronald Reagan. But unless we close our borders and restrict immigration, all the other issues are irrelevant. One terrorist blowing up a bridge or a tunnel could kill thousands. One jihadist poisoning a city's water supply could kill tens of thousands. One electromagnetic pulse attack from a single Iranian nuclear device could kill tens of millions. Faced with those possibilities, most Americans probably don't care that Trump relied on eminent domain to grab up a final quarter acre of property for a hotel, or that he boils the blood of the Muslim Brotherhood thugs running the Council on American-Islamic Relations. While Attorney General Loretta Lynch's greatest fear is someone giving a Muslim a dirty look, most Americans are more worried about being gunned down at a shopping mall by a crazed [islamic] lunatic who treats his prayer mat better than his three wives and who thinks 72 virgins are waiting for him in paradise.

The establishment is frightened to death that Trump will win, but not because they believe he will harm the nation. They are afraid he will upset their taxpayer-subsidized apple carts. While Obama threatens to veto legislation that spends too little, they worry that Trump will veto legislation that spends too much.

You can be certain that if an establishment candidate wins in November 2016 ... [their] cabinet positions will be filled with the same people we've seen before. The washed-up has-beens of the Clinton and Bush administrations will be back in charge. The hacks from Goldman Sachs will continue to call the shots. Whether it is Bush's Karl Rove or Clinton 's John Podesta, who makes the decisions in the White House will matter little.

If the establishment wins, America loses.

Is that supposed to be serious? It reads like satire. "the nation elected an islamo-]Marxist in 2008". FFS, if this is meant to be serious, you're proving my last post to be correct.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHUPqhAGrk[/youtube]

Take it as you wish, ...just an article in New Yorker magazine.