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TeamBigBlue

Location: Oz

Post Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:34 pm   Reply with quote         


You young Whipper Snappers gots it too easy.
When I first joined PSC, we had to crawl over broken glass just to gets a vote!!!!!!!!!!




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Martrex

Location: California

Post Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:16 pm   Reply with quote         


TeamBigBlue wrote:
You young Whipper Snappers gots it too easy.
When I first joined PSC, we had to crawl over broken glass just to gets a vote!!!!!!!!!!


When you guys started it was with chalk on cave walls! Laughing Laughing Laughing




kittie

Location: Florida

Post Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:18 pm   Reply with quote         






Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:18 am   Reply with quote         


TeamBigBlue wrote:
You young Whipper Snappers gots it too easy.
When I first joined PSC, we had to crawl over broken glass just to gets a vote!!!!!!!!!!

Look fatso, who cares what you did for a vote. This topic is not new, most of you people are familiar with it. Apparently it has been an issue for a long time. I read a thread from couple a years ago, where Anfa screamed about that Marco person, who was allegedly a master of friendly voting. Nothing changed except number of entries. Friendly voting and aliases will eventually destroy this site. People are loosing interest and for a good reason too. I am telling this with the best intention.
As far as a private message I received. I do not intend to point fingers at anyone. You all know each other well enough. If I wanted to accuse someone directly I would started a thread. It's up to the administrators of this site if they are going to change something. I am just giving an opinion.




kinetic_be

Location: Belgium

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:00 am   Reply with quote         


Yarilo wrote:
TeamBigBlue wrote:
You young Whipper Snappers gots it too easy.
When I first joined PSC, we had to crawl over broken glass just to gets a vote!!!!!!!!!!

Look fatso, who cares what you did for a vote. This topic is not new, most of you people are familiar with it. Apparently it has been an issue for a long time. I read a thread from couple a years ago, where Anfa screamed about that Marco person, who was allegedly a master of friendly voting. Nothing changed except number of entries. Friendly voting and aliases will eventually destroy this site. People are loosing interest and for a good reason too. I am telling this with the best intention.
As far as a private message I received. I do not intend to point fingers at anyone. You all know each other well enough. If I wanted to accuse someone directly I would started a thread. It's up to the administrators of this site if they are going to change something. I am just giving an opinion.


I think most people have started a topic about this in the past. Hell, I have Laughing
I don't remember how hard I screamed, how many toes I stepped on.
For what it's worth, I agree with what you are saying, but at the other hand, I really don't care that much anymore.
When you start at PSC and grow into it, you eventually come at a point where you get obsessed by votes, because - in my opinion - the votes give you an indication how you are doing with Photoshop and when you notice person x always votes for person y, even though it's not good, it can get frustrating and you don't feel that your work gets the amount of attention (or justice) it deserves.
Marco was indeed very good at gaterhing votes here. If you didn't vote for him, or around him, chances would be very likely that you got a PM of him asking what's wrong with his picture. Was it to improve his picture or to notice that you hadn't vote for him? I'm not going to judge, I liked the guy, but fact is that he won way more contests even though his entry wasn't always best in show.
Anyway, Chop for fun and take credit from the anonymous contests. I'm sure friendly-voting is still involved here, but not as much.
One more thing: When you get addicted to Photoshop when you start, you create some 'photoshop-blindness'. I think it's called that way. It means that when you stare too long at your works, it gets natural and you have trouble to see your work in a objective way. I remember spending 6 to 8 hours at an entry in the beginning, thinking it was fantastic, that THIS entry should win or at least make it to the top 3.. When I look back at them, I realise that they were far beneath the level of the guys I was competing with in the contest.

Just chop for fun Cool




seamusoisin

Location: Ottawa Strong!

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:05 am   Reply with quote         


Yarilo wrote:
TeamBigBlue wrote:
You young Whipper Snappers gots it too easy.
When I first joined PSC, we had to crawl over broken glass just to gets a vote!!!!!!!!!!

Look fatso, who cares what you did for a vote.


Why the personal attack on someone's appearance? If you can't express your self without a personal attack maybe you should keep silent. By the way it was meant as a joke, duh!




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TheShaman

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Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:54 am   Reply with quote         


Yarilo wrote:
Nothing changed except number of entries. Friendly voting and aliases will eventually destroy this site. People are loosing interest and for a good reason too. I am telling this with the best intention.

If I wanted to accuse someone directly I would started a thread. It's up to the administrators of this site if they are going to change something. I am just giving an opinion.


Look Yar's... This is not a new issue. This didn't just happen now since you've arrived. This site will always be here as long as we have a community of choppers who give a damn about it. So I commend you for that... Now on to what I think. (Sorry for how long it's gonna be)

First off. The mods do check for aliases (maybe not as often as when there were 60 entries), but I'm sure they still do check. There have been plenty of people who have been banned and/or called out for this. Their job isn't easy, and I give them Kudos for doing something for FREE.

Right now, I just don't see enough evidence, (to don my tinfoil hat) that there's some huge conspiracy of alias voting happening...

As for your second issue... 'friendly voting'. This is an Art site. People are going to vote for styles and/or people THEY like. It's par for the course. If they like so-and-so, no matter what they do, its a style or person they like... they're going to vote. It's their votes, they can do with them as they wish. If they want to vote just for all source pictures, if they want to only vote for green images... or gifs... or not vote for any gifs.. If they want to vote for a person rather than what they make as an artist...That's their choice. THEIR VOTES.

You also gotta realize... Because art is subjective...
good ideas > good execution
for a lot of people.

A fantastic idea 'bad execution' will win most times over a boring 'good execution'

I admit, clearly there are some friendly votes even in my portfolio. THE 'I voted for you so they voted for me' variety. It happens to everyone. Like kinetic_be said. When you first come here, you become obsessed with votes. Esp if you came here several years ago when a contest entry could easily garnish 50 votes for the winner. Instead of the 20 or so you see winners get now...

Maybe that's why I don't get as many votes now as I once did. I used to spend every single one of my 25 votes early in a contest, hoping that I'd get at least 20 back. NOW? I really I don't care anymore. I settled down, and I started chopping for myself. I hardly vote for anything these days. When I do, at the start of a comp I look for Good execution only. I will vote only for the 1 or 2 of the best entries. Then as the contest progresses, I may hand out a 'good idea' vote here or there on the last day. If I spend 10 votes in a contest I'm amazed. BUT That's my choice. I vote for what I like. Not for whom I like. Sure it isn't a way to gain popularity, but in my mind it does make sure the ones I think are the best get that extra 1 vote. Hoping that an image (not a person) wins or gets top 3. Instead of handing out ones to my friends, because I like them, maybe not their work that day.

One thing I will agree with you on. Anon seems to stifle most 'friendly votes' If you look at the anon contests where people don't know who you are or whom you've voted for... the top 3 in that contest normally ARE your top 3 best images. Thankfully prize contests are anon so the winner is usually the most deserving according to the entries popularity and not according to artist popularity.

On the same note though... I'm glad that not all contests are anon. Regular contests offer something anon does not. The opportunity to help out, and also to learn from ones mistakes.

Look. It's never going to be a perfect system. Pouting about it, isn't going to change the fact. Nor is it going to gain you any popularity or sympathy. (not that it looks like you're looking for it) But it does make you seem bitter, and a bit jealous of 'votes' you or your friends are not receiving. Esp since you keep going on and on about it. Not just here, cause this is an old thread. (Feb of this year) But I now see it in your entries as well.

The only thing I can offer as advice is:
Keep your head up. Worry only about what YOU create. Take pride in that. Like others have said, it is your portfolio. Its what you show off to your non PSC friends. When creating an entry, step away after you think you're done... for an hour or so, then look at it again. Ask yourself... Is this boring? What can I add to spice it up (what I call X-factor) to make more people like it. If you do that you'll find some flaws you may have missed. You may also find that your entries will start to get more votes because of the extra effort you start putting in.

Thats all I have to say (for now)
*Stepping away from the soapbox and fading back into the community*




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Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:53 am   Reply with quote         


TheShaman wrote:

Thats all I have to say (for now)
*Stepping away from the soapbox and fading back into the community*


Nice cliff hanger ending. Now I'm waiting for the sequel to Rational Response.




nat_g31

Location: Permanent vacation from Nor Cal

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:56 am   Reply with quote         


Fatso??? Shocked What grown up still calls people Fatso? Now Fatass I can understand. .. lmao Laughing Laughing




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Werdnaibor

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Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:11 am   Reply with quote         


seamusoisin wrote:
Yarilo wrote:
TeamBigBlue wrote:
You young Whipper Snappers gots it too easy.
When I first joined PSC, we had to crawl over broken glass just to gets a vote!!!!!!!!!!

Look fatso, who cares what you did for a vote.


Why the personal attack on someone's appearance? If you can't express your self without a personal attack maybe you should keep silent. By the way it was meant as a joke, duh!

I agree with this idea. It should be applied to the entire internet as some sort of filter that detects personal attacks and other logical fallacies and will not let you post until they are eliminated.




TheShaman

Location: Peaksville, Southeast of Disorder

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:19 am   Reply with quote         


seamusoisin wrote:
TeamBigBlue wrote:
You young Whipper Snappers gots it too easy.
When I first joined PSC, we had to crawl over broken glass just to gets a vote!!!!!!!!!!
By the way it was meant as a joke, duh!


Shocked
You mean they didn't have to crawl over broken glass?
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Zoeon

Location: Belgium

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:34 am   Reply with quote         


I have been reading some good things here, but i thought i make 17 points.
1 till 16 is more about friendly votes and family feeling here. point 17 is why 25 votes to give, why not max 10.
Because my english isnt that good i put it in chinees. Very Happy




cringer8

Location: Seattle

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:35 am   Reply with quote         


I think I have a solution. We should all start telling people why we choose not to vote for their entry in the comments section. I'm going to start doing this today. This is going to seriously hurt my "popularity." Good thing I don't have any Very Happy




charliesou

Location: Independent Scotland

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:36 am   Reply with quote         


From now on anyone who doesn't vote for me will be soundly thrashed with a birch branch.
Repeat offenders will be sent my grandmother's recipe for haggis and herring meatloaf !
bounce




Werdnaibor

Location: Albany, NY

Post Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:38 am   Reply with quote         


charliesou wrote:
From now on anyone who doesn't vote for me will be soundly thrashed with a birch branch.
Repeat offenders will be sent my grandmother's recipe for haggis and herring meatloaf !
bounce

You can't make me cook it.




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