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dumbat
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 Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:26 am Reply with quote
Canuck <º)))>< wrote: These questions will never be answered here.
no shit. and here was me thinking this was a philosophy forum
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:33 am Reply with quote
Canuck <º)))>< wrote: Now for all of you paying attention out there note there has not been a response and will not be a response to these questions.
1. How do you account universal, immaterial unchanging laws in a universe without Egg McMuffin?
2. What is your justification for the laws of logic in a universe without Egg McMuffin?
3. What is your justification for induction in a universe without Egg McMuffin.
Pay close attention. These questions will never be answered here.
Hmmm... don't know what to say... I'm really confused. 
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TutorMe
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:34 am Reply with quote
Canuck <º)))>< wrote: TutorMe wrote: So you don't think implying that I am a "rapist, murderer, terrorist, or child molester" is disrespectful? I did not imply that you were, only that since your apparent worldview cannot justify the wrongness of those actions that we can only hope that you were not. That you were offended reveals more about the inadequacy of your worldview, then the perceived offensive nature of my comment. Still, I did apologize.
So... Because I don't believe in God... I can't justify that molesting a child is wrong?
The reason I was offended doesn't show that my world views are flawed. It shows that I am a human being who doesn't like to be called such horrible things. I really want to stop this debate, but until I feel like I'm being portrayed in a truthful way, I can't.
I don't have a problem with Christianity. In fact, I believe that Christianity teaches many good values that people should live by as do other religions.
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Canuck <º)))><
Location: Dorchester, Ontario Canada
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:44 am Reply with quote
TutorMe wrote: So... Because I don't believe in God... I can't justify that molesting a child is wrong?
That's right. Absent an absolute moral standard, all you could possibly have is moral preference, not right or wrong.
Feel free to try, I will be happy to show you the flaw in your argument.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:48 am Reply with quote
Canuck <º)))>< wrote: Claf wrote: No. You're wrong. Claf, your PRESUPPOSITION is that the Bible is NOT the inspired, infallible Word of God, my presupposition is that it IS. ANY evidence either of us present will be interpreted subject to our presuppositons.
In order to get anywhere in this discussion, what we must do is determine whose presuppostions can account for the very concept of 'evidence.' Evidence presupposes universal logical laws by which we interpret it (not to mention the assumption that our senses and reasoning are valid). Universal, abstract, invariant laws of logic, make sense in my worldview, as they reflect the very nature of God, but do not makes sense in ANY worldview without God. Sure, you are free to criticize the authenticity of the Bible, but I simply ask, how do you account for the laws of logic by which you do this?
In my worldview, the very nature of God doesn't exist and the very nature of human surely doesn't fit with "invariant laws of logic". 
And I didn't criticized the authenticity of the Bible, I only wanted to say that it is necessary to reinterpret the Bible stories and to cease taking it for a handbook of history. Over the scientific discoveries on biblical sites, something important to consider is the political, economical and social contexts when the Bible was compiled. For sure, there's proofs of some non-authentic stories...
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:54 am Reply with quote
Claf wrote: And I didn't criticized the authenticity of the Bible, I only wanted to say that it is necessary to reinterpret the Bible stories and to cease taking it for a handbook of history. Why would that be necessary, if it is authentic? Your very suggestion questions the authenticity.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:56 am Reply with quote
Canuck <º)))>< wrote: Feel free to try, I will be happy to show you the flaw in your argument.
Ok. I believe that when a child is abused in any way, whether it be sexually or otherwise, that the person who committed the act, and anyone aware of the act who did not seek to stop it, and who could do so without putting themselves in danger or in harms' way should be held responsible for their actions in the court of law.
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Canuck <º)))><
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:58 am Reply with quote
TutorMe wrote: Ok. I believe that when a child is abused in any way, whether it be sexually or otherwise, that the person who committed the act, and anyone aware of the act who did not seek to stop it, and who could do so without putting themselves in danger or in harms' way should be held responsible for their actions in the court of law.
Why? You are just telling us your moral preference, not why child molestation is wrong.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:58 am Reply with quote
Canuck <º)))>< wrote: Claf wrote: And I didn't criticized the authenticity of the Bible, I only wanted to say that it is necessary to reinterpret the Bible stories and to cease taking it for a handbook of history. Why would that be necessary, if it is authentic? Your very suggestion questions the authenticity.
Oups! I just added this later:
"For sure, there's proofs of some non-authentic stories..."
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:01 am Reply with quote
TutorMe wrote: Canuck <º)))>< wrote: Feel free to try, I will be happy to show you the flaw in your argument.
Ok. I believe that when a child is abused in any way, whether it be sexually or otherwise, that the person who committed the act, and anyone aware of the act who did not seek to stop it, and who could do so without putting themselves in danger or in harms' way should be held responsible for their actions in the court of law.
See, there is the flaw right in the first sentence! "I believe" shows that you have faith that something of a higher power influences the way you think, to allow you to perceive right from wrong! Without this higher power, you would have no ability whatsoever to decide whether something was "right" or "wrong" because you simply would not know! Therefore, God is an absolute truth!!!!!!!!!!!
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Canuck <º)))><
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:02 am Reply with quote
Claf wrote: "For sure, there's proofs of some non-authentic stories..."
Well Claf, the very concept of 'proof' requires knowledge, logic, and truth. You have yet to tell us how any of those make sense according to your worldview. Your pre-commitment to the concept of proof, absent justification for 'proof,' exposes a glaring inconsistency in your worldview.
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Canuck <º)))><
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:04 am Reply with quote
mason4300 wrote: See, there is the flaw right in the first sentence! "I believe" shows that you have faith that something of a higher power influences the way you think, to allow you to perceive right from wrong! Without this higher power, you would have no ability whatsoever to decide whether something was "right" or "wrong" because you simply would not know! Therefore, God is an absolute truth!!!!!!!!!!!
Not quite, but pretty close.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:05 am Reply with quote
Canuck <º)))>< wrote: TutorMe wrote: Ok. I believe that when a child is abused in any way, whether it be sexually or otherwise, that the person who committed the act, and anyone aware of the act who did not seek to stop it, and who could do so without putting themselves in danger or in harms' way should be held responsible for their actions in the court of law.
Why? You are just telling us your moral preference, not why child molestation is wrong.
Child molestation is wrong because the law says it is.
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:05 am Reply with quote
Are you all enjoying running in circles? Canuck will never surrender, guys, believe me you.
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Canuck <º)))><
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:07 am Reply with quote
TutorMe wrote: Child molestation is wrong because the law says it is.
So, if child molesters became the majority and abolished all laws against child molestation, it would cease to be wrong?
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