Thanks Rey, a voice of reason George knows the lord about as well as you can,
so does Jeff...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLQUdHMFpBQ

The tooth I'm holding came from an Animal that has been extinct for over 10,000 years, and it was around for @4 million years before that, so this physical evidence, which is all we truly have today, is bogus, and I should believe a made up story, written by whom exactly?

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well since we're doing songs...

mana from heaven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVjNX73l858

no?

ma nah mah nah!

I am a collector and seller of fossils.I have thousands of extinct shark teeth, teeth from extinct horses, mastadons, dozens of other creatures.
Fossilization can occur in incredibly short time periods and does.
I figure the majority of them are around 4000 years and have no reason to believe otherwise.

I didn't know we were actually trying to 'prove' anything...
since evidence for both sides of the subject
is after all is said and done, coming out at about a tie for the time being.
Neither side has been proven nor disproven scientifically.
Fossils are just one of many areas of contention.

Marx..being facetious, sarcastic, insulting, and making generalized statements gets no one anywhere.
If all you have to say is you are right and other people are wrong..that was clear quite a few posts back.
a crescent .

I think we should ask Borat

Jesus was alongside God in heaven as a spirit being before coming to earth as a human. (JOHN 1:14-15, 8:58 & 17:5) He was the first being created by God (COL 1:15-16), and then served as an "assistant" or "master workman" with Him in all other creation. (PROV 8, especially vs 22-31 & JOHN 1:3)

Later Trinitarian teachings co-opted by the early Church from pagan beliefs, and misunderstanding over Jesus' role have led to even most supposed Christians being unable to recognise that, but again, reading the entire Bible makes it clear.



Well on most of that wishy-washiness I'd agree with you. Lots of so-called Christians who say "oh well, God forgives everything" on one extreme or who say "do exactly as I tell you or you'll burn in hell!" on the other are also distorting and misrepresenting Christianity. Same with those who spout vague generalities like "God is in all of us" and other such stuff. Interestingly, much of the strongest warnings and condemnation from Jesus was against people calling themselves godly but preach falsehoods or try to mislead people...

Of course people must make their own choices, but that doesn't mean that we can or should expect to escape the consequences for those choices (good or bad). Given that choices can have serious consequences, it does make it all the more important that we make those choices based on accurate knowledge, which is why "false teachers" are so dangerous, because they muddle the issues and turn otherwise reasonable people into rabid opponents of anything spiritual, or take them off on totally the wrong course.

I'm beginning to see your point there, Scion.

A pity, but to be expected. Just as the "all-knowing" sceptics mock anyone with any kind of religious belief for being closed-minded, prejudiced or not willing to listen, the same kind of attitudes come out from them too at times like this. Ironic really. I guess if there's noone left to have a sensible debate with, then it's thread closed.

Dis.....missed!