I'm not dissing vectors, don't get me wrong, but in general it's very old school, pre-ps old school, pre-modern printing old school. It's wonderful and clean for advertising, and maybe that's what makes it so difficult to impress with. Vectors on the eye, look like a huge portion of the work done by the best advertisers over many decades, you're actually competing with all those images when you post vectors.
you guys that do vectors here are really doing some great stuff. That one you did with the fingertips is exactly what i'm looking for as that extra edge in a vector. that was really good. A vector of a persons face or an object without chopping it into a new scene is boring though---now when someone makes a regular chop of a source and then vectorizes it....
well that's just perfect.
I'll tell ya what i have no respect for though. These images I keep seeing that use 3D rendering.

like this one Scion? huh?


or like this one Scion? huh?

I never woulda guessed that used a 3d prog, but my point being,
over the last year the heavy use of 3d figures has brought down the level of quality of this site, along with the use of 'dark' to hide work, make it easier, to impress with little effort, has brought the this place down to
incredibly amateur levels. We still have a couple impressive contests every month,everything else is mediocre. We don't look any better than
any other site out there anymore, in fact it looks like buncha people trying to look like gfx, and the out of the box, pulling off incredibly difficult
images, impressive skillz, and especially the once expected every day pleasure to see bit of originality that defined PSc is lacking for all but a couple days a month.
As long as users that are looking to get a chop in as easy as possible are the ones voting for the sources, it can only get worse. Source voting needs to go.

I coulda pulled them both off in just PS.

Are you saying a 3d program did the reflections on those?
That's not the same at all as someone making the reflections themself.

I consider using 3D software on this site cheating. If you can't manipulate the source with photoshop(or other photo type software) you shouldn't be here.
This contest pissed me off because I was beaten by 3D software in a PS contest!
http://photoshopcontest.com/photoshop-contest/2001/rolling-in.html?l=&o=votes

Not underestimating yer work Tony, nor trying to attack you Scion, but you make 3D look like you open Max, say the secret words, press a button, and voilá!!! You have a brand new cheated 3D image!!!!!

Like Scion said, he´d never have guessed I used 3D in those... fact is, the202, using his wise words, once told me the good 3D is the one that doesn´t look like 3D... Every entry I do that I use 3D, has a huge ammount of PS work... it´s like getting an outside source... excet for the fact you have a lot of work to make it (instead of simply googling it)...

Another entry I used 3D was the can contest... I had a hell of a hard time to put the 3D and the source together... match lights, shadows, etc, etc...



But of course I don´t use 3D in all my images... from 185, I used it in 4 or 5 entries...

But I wouldn´t consider it cheating... otherwise, serious would be cheating for using Illustrator... wouldn´t he?

That contest pissed me off as well. I felt it was one of my best entries, painstakingly made.

Waaaaaaaaah!

Arc - I'm not saying using 3d software is easy. I'm saying it doesn't belong here. There are other sites for the 3d thing.

YES! EXACTLY!

If I'm honest I hate vexels unless you do something interesting with the image first

I think 3D software is really cool stuff, I din't know Vokaruis's used it and
even so, still think it's a way cool image...as far as 3d use goes, that's exactly the kinda thing I'd be most forgiving of. These 3D use of human figures though--sure, great means to an end but have to say, for here.....it's cheating. Indeed 3d is work, lots of it, but then again, once ya do it, transforming already done work to create new work is so simple it's ridiculous.
If I were capable of coding and maintaining a site like PSC for 3D, you can bet your ass I wouldn't bre hanging around here. Why Proc doesn't get help and make PSc knockoffs of Flash and 3D I just don't understand. With PSC's page ranking ANY site he makes thats relative to PSC and linked from here
will be at top of search engines from the getgo--even above the sites that are already established. People would pay a fortune for that kinda power, and oppurtunity.
PS-that golfball contest was sweet one. I wanna see that quality every day doggonit!

ya saying I should get my stuff and go look for another place to stay?
but... but... but...

There's another form of cheating that really has put me off lately too.
Use of images of woman in dresses kneeling in the grass looking all innocent and stuff. That CRAP has to stop. Honest-I don't want to insult anyone, but the first few times it was done and it was new, it was cool, but the continued overwhelming use of these images is disgusting now.
Totally unimpressive, totally mediocre, totally lame. The world has enough stinking pictures of girls holding flowers looking at themselves in the water, we get it. STOP!

AND I aint talking about Welans win today. That's a nice chop.