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ReyRey wrote:
I saw Marx-man's spoon and thought....hmmmmmm. I think I'll do a spoon. So here it is. Sorry the video quality sucks at the beginning.
This is not a tutorial. It's more of a "watch me make a spoon" thing. It is all done with pen tool,airbrush and smudge tool.


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Very Large Version: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/ReyReyM/psc/Spoon.jpg

Very Happy I did it right this time boss!!! I didn't post the huge picture in the thread!! I'm a big boy now! Very Happy



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Post Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:35 pm   Reply with quote         


xyloz wrote:
ReyRey wrote:
I saw Marx-man's spoon and thought....hmmmmmm. I think I'll do a spoon. So here it is. Sorry the video quality sucks at the beginning.
This is not a tutorial. It's more of a "watch me make a spoon" thing. It is all done with pen tool,airbrush and smudge tool.


View youtube video








Very Large Version: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/ReyReyM/psc/Spoon.jpg

Very Happy I did it right this time boss!!! I didn't post the huge picture in the thread!! I'm a big boy now! Very Happy



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Post Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:06 pm   Reply with quote         


I found it so hard to resist xD if anything it made me chuckle.

ReyRey if anything your a solid painter and that is something that takes a hell of a long time to get good at, problems always the little things when you get to your level and critique is hard to come by.

I would say the only things I see all to often in High level Photoshop drawings Are as follows

1)"Brand New Syndrome" - Objects that are either too clean or look like new.
I have done it, I know plenty of people who also do it, but the objects look more photo real with a bit of wear and tear, some staining or even a few knocks and bumps that's what made the space ships in the old star wars films look for gritty back in the day.

2)Lazy or overlooked edging on machined parts, all too often it's easy to forget with what is machined. A good rule of thumb it to hand-draw hand-made objects and vector draw machined parts, other wise uneven edging looks out of place on something that has gone through a factory machine, Sure wear and tear is one thing but an uneven edge looks out of place on something that has been turned on a precision cutter.

3)A final example of a high level photo-real editing misnomer is Depth of field, adding blur does not make Depth! I know it's a very tempting short cut, and it will fool a lot of users but if you want to go for high level it merely creates a focal point.

Depth of Field is a mixed range of focus and lighting. The backdrop and foreground levels need to be adjusted accordingly each element needs to be evaluated for levels of focus as every object will have a differing level of focus. After these levels have been chosen on a scale of 1(in focus) -10(out of focus)

Only then the type of blur can be chosen and it has to be very specific.
Graduated Gaussian alone does not cut it your blur needs to be selective.

Each object needs to be warped into either an Octagonal/Hexagonal shapes the reason being simply that an aperture of a camera is this shape and that is why the blur needs to be a series of blobs not a neat graduation of blur, it's a mistake a lot of high level photo shop experts ignore and is considered in the photography world a school boy error as all high level photographers know about the circle of confusion and the zone of acceptable focus that creates these circles of blur which create depth of field.

An example can be seen here in the back drop:



4)Finally last but not least, water, oh the tricky as f*** element akin to fire in difficulty.
Water is notorious, it reflects therefore can be a source of light but also is transparent which means you can see through it. It also refracts to there if a certain amount of Fresnel to add to distort/magnify a background object depending on the shape of it's container. After these painstaking effects have been added and again high level photo shoppers do add these effects there is always one that is missed.

It's important at the level of if we didn't have it in our bodies to create capillary action we would die, at the same time certain insects would be fucked and the Jesus lizard would be a pretty shit runner I am of course rambling about Surface tension.
A layer of skin to be precise, Depending on the density and transparency of the liquid involved there is a certain thickness to the surface this can be seen visibly and is oh so ignored when chopping or drawing. It's mainly picked up in wine glass chops but puddles, rivers, and even droplets have this layer of skin. and it is visible at the sides.
"Note" only really applicable in close ups or macro photo realism...

Here is a little bug on water Razz

There are more examples of high level blunders but that concludes my willingness to rant for today, have a look again at the spoon and see if any of these things stand out?






At first glance based on the prior ravings the spoon edge could be more uniform (After all it's manufactured therefore the edges need to look a little more trim and even)

There could be some scratched in tea staining in the head and some knocks out the sides to show age as well as adding those depth of field markers namely lighting on the spoon being brighter after all it is made of a reflective material where is the glare!

Interesting to note the range of the photo and the light style used, it suggests that it's a relatively ranged key light from the back right mainly because the shadow is too dark to suggest soft box but not strong enough for pin light at close range.
With a secondary softer light from the back right closer and higher up creating the ghosted shadow.

The sheer fact that the whole spoon fits in the image, and the size of the image coupled with the detailing means that the only kind of lens to opt for an image at this range without crop would have to be a wide angle macro lens and therefore be on a native D.O.F. setting of about f2-4.0 that suggests at that macro-photography D.O.F. range the spoon would also have blurring on it any wide angle macro lens would have a very strong D.O.F. at that range so try adding some in and finally with wide angle macro photos there is warping. add a little see how it looks for photo real then.

With crop I would suggest either a 50mm on F1.8 still have blurring or Tele-macro about 70-300mm in which case the floor needs to be in a sharper focus around the spoon instead of the immediate foreground other than that.

Spoon as it stands is very good as a quick piece of work.

As a side note, these things are for all choppers to take note of but don't ignore the massively obvious stuff for the intricacies like the reflection of a chopped in object, in the only mirror in your background image I mean it was bad enough you could see the camera man in the door knob in the matrix facepalm.




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:19 am   Reply with quote         


Awesome work, ReyRey.




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:32 am   Reply with quote         


xyloz wrote:
I found it so hard to resist xD if anything it made me chuckle.

ReyRey if anything your a solid painter and that is something that takes a hell of a long time to get good at, problems always the little things when you get to your level and critique is hard to come by.

I would say the only things I see all to often in High level Photoshop drawings Are as follows

1)"Brand New Syndrome" - Objects that are either too clean or look like new.
I have done it, I know plenty of people who also do it, but the objects look more photo real with a bit of wear and tear, some staining or even a few knocks and bumps that's what made the space ships in the old star wars films look for gritty back in the day.

2)Lazy or overlooked edging on machined parts, all too often it's easy to forget with what is machined. A good rule of thumb it to hand-draw hand-made objects and vector draw machined parts, other wise uneven edging looks out of place on something that has gone through a factory machine, Sure wear and tear is one thing but an uneven edge looks out of place on something that has been turned on a precision cutter.

3)A final example of a high level photo-real editing misnomer is Depth of field, adding blur does not make Depth! I know it's a very tempting short cut, and it will fool a lot of users but if you want to go for high level it merely creates a focal point.

Depth of Field is a mixed range of focus and lighting. The backdrop and foreground levels need to be adjusted accordingly each element needs to be evaluated for levels of focus as every object will have a differing level of focus. After these levels have been chosen on a scale of 1(in focus) -10(out of focus)

Only then the type of blur can be chosen and it has to be very specific.
Graduated Gaussian alone does not cut it your blur needs to be selective.

Each object needs to be warped into either an Octagonal/Hexagonal shapes the reason being simply that an aperture of a camera is this shape and that is why the blur needs to be a series of blobs not a neat graduation of blur, it's a mistake a lot of high level photo shop experts ignore and is considered in the photography world a school boy error as all high level photographers know about the circle of confusion and the zone of acceptable focus that creates these circles of blur which create depth of field.

An example can be seen here in the back drop:



4)Finally last but not least, water, oh the tricky as f*** element akin to fire in difficulty.
Water is notorious, it reflects therefore can be a source of light but also is transparent which means you can see through it. It also refracts to there if a certain amount of Fresnel to add to distort/magnify a background object depending on the shape of it's container. After these painstaking effects have been added and again high level photo shoppers do add these effects there is always one that is missed.

It's important at the level of if we didn't have it in our bodies to create capillary action we would die, at the same time certain insects would be fucked and the Jesus lizard would be a pretty shit runner I am of course rambling about Surface tension.
A layer of skin to be precise, Depending on the density and transparency of the liquid involved there is a certain thickness to the surface this can be seen visibly and is oh so ignored when chopping or drawing. It's mainly picked up in wine glass chops but puddles, rivers, and even droplets have this layer of skin. and it is visible at the sides.
"Note" only really applicable in close ups or macro photo realism...

Here is a little bug on water Razz

There are more examples of high level blunders but that concludes my willingness to rant for today, have a look again at the spoon and see if any of these things stand out?






At first glance based on the prior ravings the spoon edge could be more uniform (After all it's manufactured therefore the edges need to look a little more trim and even)

There could be some scratched in tea staining in the head and some knocks out the sides to show age as well as adding those depth of field markers namely lighting on the spoon being brighter after all it is made of a reflective material where is the glare!

Interesting to note the range of the photo and the light style used, it suggests that it's a relatively ranged key light from the back right mainly because the shadow is too dark to suggest soft box but not strong enough for pin light at close range.
With a secondary softer light from the back right closer and higher up creating the ghosted shadow.

The sheer fact that the whole spoon fits in the image, and the size of the image coupled with the detailing means that the only kind of lens to opt for an image at this range without crop would have to be a wide angle macro lens and therefore be on a native D.O.F. setting of about f2-4.0 that suggests at that macro-photography D.O.F. range the spoon would also have blurring on it any wide angle macro lens would have a very strong D.O.F. at that range so try adding some in and finally with wide angle macro photos there is warping. add a little see how it looks for photo real then.

With crop I would suggest either a 50mm on F1.8 still have blurring or Tele-macro about 70-300mm in which case the floor needs to be in a sharper focus around the spoon instead of the immediate foreground other than that.

Spoon as it stands is very good as a quick piece of work.

As a side note, these things are for all choppers to take note of but don't ignore the massively obvious stuff for the intricacies like the reflection of a chopped in object, in the only mirror in your background image I mean it was bad enough you could see the camera man in the door knob in the matrix facepalm.



I know all that stuff. Laughing it's not a work of art. Laughing Laughing It's a quick illustration of a spoon. Laughing
You are digging to deep. I wanted to make a sharp spoon. I didn't care if it looked like a photo. The camera adds the softness of depth. I didn't care that much. I just wanted to do a quick spoon. Laughing But thanks for the info. Very Happy Also as for aged looking and wear and tear. I know that too. Look at my Tutorial on making wood for a bat. Very Happy




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:36 am   Reply with quote         


It's just supposed to be a starting point. Just a quick demo to show that there is no magic spoon button, that anybody with patience and some art background can do it. It's just like airbrushing. Now if you want to make one and push beyond what I did and add wear and tear and depth then I guess my idea worked. I got you to think and talk about art. Mission accomplished. Cool Laughing




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:42 am   Reply with quote         


By the way. I am no photographer so most of that comment I saw as. Bla bla bla bla painter bla bla photoshop bla bla bla blur. Lol
I'm not putting you down. I'm sure many people will learn from your comments. It just sounded like an unwarranted attack on something that was meant to be fun and simple. Not perfection. You want perfection? Pay me. Laughing
Ok. I'm done.




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:33 am   Reply with quote         


ReyRey wrote:
By the way. I am no photographer so most of that comment I saw as. Bla bla bla bla painter bla bla photoshop bla bla bla blur. Lol
I'm not putting you down. I'm sure many people will learn from your comments. It just sounded like an unwarranted attack on something that was meant to be fun and simple. Not perfection. You want perfection? Pay me. Laughing
Ok. I'm done.


Seconded.

And I thought my posts were long and pointless Xyloz. Rolling Eyes




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ReyRey wrote:
By the way. I am no photographer so most of that comment I saw as. Bla bla bla bla painter bla bla photoshop bla bla bla blur. Lol
I'm not putting you down. I'm sure many people will learn from your comments. It just sounded like an unwarranted attack on something that was meant to be fun and simple. Not perfection. You want perfection? Pay me. Laughing
Ok. I'm done.


Naw wouldn't attack ya man, it's just from a different perspective because I come from a more 3D, film and photography oriented background.

For quick works I can't fault any of your fast chops Razz TBH they are all top draw and would take me about 3 times as long to produce anything to that level on a pen tab let alone my crappy mouse haha, It never hurts to put forward a few things and examples for them Smile As you said it gets me and any one else who reads thinking Razz




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:31 am   Reply with quote         


Very Happy




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:48 pm   Reply with quote         


ReyRey - I was kind of thinking...who ever said you wanted it to look like it was a photograph? I honestly think if you can achieve "actual realism" - so much the better. I mean, my eyeballs don't have depth of focus and F-stops now, do they? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Shocked




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:24 pm   Reply with quote         


Why do you have to always do that Rey˛ Shocked ...? Why Shocked ...? You make me feel like **** with such Perfect Works Sad..! I wishs I could do this...! When you can, the world is all yours...! Nice video...! Thanks for sharing mate Wink...!




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Post Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:04 pm   Reply with quote         


Is the beginning of the video jacked up for anyone besides me? Confused

First couple seconds are all grey and then pixelated until the video plays for a while.




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TofuTheGreat wrote:
Is the beginning of the video jacked up for anyone besides me? Confused

First couple seconds are all grey and then pixelated until the video plays for a while.

reyrey wrote:
So here it is. Sorry the video quality sucks at the beginning.


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